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==New Testament==
search "eyes to see" and "ears to hear" on the wiki. (Mark 4, Isaiah 6?)--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:16, 2 December 2012 (PST)
Mt. 13 & Mark 4 responses to "why everything is in parables" -- relates to the Veil of the Messenger and has something to do with the experiential aspect of Knowing and Seeing--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:25, 4 January 2013 (PST)
Mt. 13, the parable of the seed and the sower. --Patricia: "You can lose your studenthood." --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:16, 2 December 2012 (PST) 
"pearl of great price" -- describes having a purpose, Recognition, relationships of destiny and how these create a funnel, or criteria of selection, for deep evaluation of everything. --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:25, 4 January 2013 (PST)
8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." See Wisdom I, chap 15 (?): Giving I "Life bends to those who give ..." As long as the condition applies, ''to them who are called according to his purpose''," this belief is validated, but the implication of the Christian statement is exclusive instead of inviting, like a magical formula or a test. The NM version speaks from a more sophisticated point of view about the world and the forces in the world--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 20:16, 2 December 2012 (PST)
7:14-19 "We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing." Step 102: "There is much I must unlearn." Big difference between the two points of view; Paul's view more static, not going anywhere, whereas along the Way of Knowledge, this experience diminishes with practice. For Paul's "sin" would we substitute "cultural influence" or "personal preference"? Cf. step 45 Practice: " With your eyes open, concentrate now on your limitations. Recognize them. Do not judge them as good or bad. Simply recognize them... If you are defending your limitations, how can you receive that which transcends them?" Paul's expression of frustration cries out for this Step: simply face them one by one, man! --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 08:39, 11 December 2012 (PST)
2:28-20 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
WORK NEEDED but this ties to God does not care what religion you belong to or if you even believe in God or not. This also ties to 1 Samuel 16:7b "God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." --[[User:Mitch|Mitch]] 17:35, 16 December 2012 (PST) I copied the OT reference below --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:25, 4 January 2013 (PST)
13:2 "Do not neglect to show hospitality, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."
====1 Thessalonians====
1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing--Brother Lawrence's ''Practicing the Presence of God'' -- [Patricia] was given this strong, thundering directive sometime ago: "Be in a state of Continual Prayer."  [http://newmessage.org/forum/showthread.php/2220-Campfire-Chat-Transcript-2012-12-01?p=8431#post8431 see campfire chat 12/1/12] [[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 08:29, 1 December 2012 (PST)
1st Thesalonians 5:18; "Give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you.  see Joy & Gratitude --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 09:49, 1 December 2012 (PST)
==Old Testament==
1 Samuel 16:7b "God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart."
"Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being,
And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom." (Psalm 51:6, NASB)--[[User:Mitch|Mitch]] 17:35, 16 December 2012 (PST)
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6, KJV)The Way of Knowledge, inward and outward honesty (the truth), being present to life and not in our imagination is the ONLY way to God. There is no other. --[[User:Mitch|Mitch]] 17:35, 16 December 2012 (PST)
"Better to be lowly in spirit along with the oppressed, than to share plunder with the proud" (Proverbs 16:19, NIV) see the teachings "the New Message for the Impoverished and Oppressed" and "The New Message for the Political Leaders of the world." Also "The Age of Women."--[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:12, 1 December 2012 (PST)
== NM texts in search of Christian expression ==
The truth
of any relationship
can be known
at the outset.
::::Wisdom II, chap 6: Discernment. It flips, "By their fruits ye shall know them," (Mt. 7:16)and correlates well enough, both of them describing extrapolating essential character from the evidence.  --[[User:Mary s|Mary s]] 19:33, 4 January 2013 (PST)
Do not underestimate
the power of the world.
The Wise do not do this.
::::Wisdom II, chap 6: Self-Expression and the Mental Environment<!-- wonder when we will get to the ME in the Free School --> "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. So be as cunning as serpents and as innocent as doves." Mt. 10:16

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